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when did you first become

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knowledgeable of this well jim i first

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became knowledgeable

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in august of this year um we were

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talking earlier about vail and

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breckenridge i have a lodge or a little

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cabin up there

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and my friend the uncle of jp

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uh has a weekly timeshare a month a

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yearly timeshare up there

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i said well why don't you and mary come

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over you know it's cold area we can

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social

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uh distance on my deck uh we had a glass

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of wine

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something to tell you

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and he told me the story of his nephew

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jp having this computer shop

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in delaware and a man he thought was

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hunter biden

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came in dropped off three laptops and

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that's probably enough for starters i

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i'll go from there whatever questions

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you want to ask me about your interview

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with

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david greenfield i mean he's pretty

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pretty well

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has the the facts down straight as i

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know him

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yeah a couple clean up items to kind of

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go through that and then get back to

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your

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well this was according to jp's

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interview that i was just watching with

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these three reporters

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uh so there were three laptops

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apparently that were brought in

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um all with some form of liquid damage

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and but jp only accepted one of them one

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of them he said was beyond repair he

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didn't even bother to take it in the

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other simply needed a new keyboard

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um and i'm not sure how that was handled

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but i don't think he kept that one

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and then he only kept the third laptop

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is that your

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understanding i never got down to the

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numbers of laptops jim what i what i

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know now is just based what i've

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read and the interviews i've watched so

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uh when i was told the story

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there was only one laptop one hard drive

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and i read your original post which i

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think what what

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got our attention uh where you you

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posted an extensive piece

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uh on facebook about it and

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it seemed to me that you were kind of

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alluding to thinking that hunter may

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have intentionally

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dropped these laptops off with the

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intention of never picking them up

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is that is that a theory that you have

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i've read that um in an article but i

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personally didn't have that

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uh that that sense of hey i'm just

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dropping these off here i mean if

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to me if i wanted to destroy laptops or

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the article i've read uh kind of

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inferred that you know he was hoping to

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ensure that they were beyond recovery

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i i don't know that would be speculation

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yeah that seemed like

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a little bit of a strained theory to me

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that he had intentionally tried to

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destroy these laptops by creating water

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damage

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and then dropped them off at a computer

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store that would essentially

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confirm that yeah

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to me that seemed a little bit of a

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stretch as well that was not anything i

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was told jim

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um so

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yeah and by the way what what i think

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would defeat that if if two of the three

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were returned

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to him then then the idea that his whole

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plan was just to drop them off and leave

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him there doesn't sound

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correct it is obviously odd that he had

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in his possession

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three laptops which means that certainly

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he has more than three uh

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he's dropping off those three i'm sure

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he's got at least another one that he's

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working on

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and that he would have all of them with

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him in delaware

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considering that it's my understanding

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that hunter biden lives in los angeles

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that's what i've read as well but again

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that was not part of any of the story

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the story was fairly short and simple

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dropped them off

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tried to give them to the fbi and we can

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go into more detail there because

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what i was told two months ago has been

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corroborated

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in stories i've read since then you know

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the dad tried to get involved

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in albuquerque i want to say

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september-ish

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after the 90-day period plus with many

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attempts to try to give those

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and and i think the dad got involved

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again from what i was told

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that said hey you know we're i'm a

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retired air force colonel

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uh you know this isn't just some

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fly-by-night people that you're dealing

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we're serious about this and we're

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concerned

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yeah by the way one thing i learned in a

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little bit of research is that

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apparently there's a one-year law

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in delaware so if you've got no contract

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and you leave something for over a year

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then uh the repair shop uh

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now owns it and has no responsibility to

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return it

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but apparently hunter signed an

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agreement when he turned when he brought

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these in

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where it was a 90 day so he had his own

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contract that says 90 days whereas the

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the state is one year and presumably the

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the contract was fixed a lot of people

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questioned okay that applies to the

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hardware

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does that apply to copywritten materials

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such as videos that he took

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does the possession of those also

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transfer so that's an interesting legal

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question that may or may not come up

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later yeah i would say

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it would be interesting but the

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the more interesting legal question to

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me is i i was sent

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some emails in august

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not any of the ones like

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we've seen come out now which at least

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the way i read them

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uh seemed to definitely confirm that

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uh hunter biden set up a meeting with

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his dad with

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number two and charisma so so getting

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back

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to your story so you're saying as early

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as august of

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of um this year august of this year

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you had seen what is

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perhaps the most important email that

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the rest of us have seen so far

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which is the email uh from the bureau

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representative

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confirming that there had been a meeting

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with joe biden

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i did not see that email jim my point

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was

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i saw a couple of emails that seemed to

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indicate that

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hunter was well and we already knew this

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that hunter was working with

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charisma and i looked at oh that's

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pretty innocuous i wonder what else is

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on the hard drive

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and that's about as far as it went

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beyond my friend the uncle's

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story to me is rod i've tried to get i

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mean the family

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from what ron told me

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and from what i've read

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you know they're just super patriots i

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mean

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that they could have probably sold this

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for a lot of money didn't

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uh they tried to take it to the fbi a

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number of times

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um and then ron tells me and

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when we watch an impeachment trial go by

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and there are exclupatory emails on that

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hard drive and none of those are brought

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into

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evidence that's when they said okay

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something's wrong something's wrong in

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denmark

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we've got to try to get the word out so

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again i don't know how closely

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you've read my facebook post but you'll

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see that

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he sent either an email and the way he

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summarized the email to me i've never

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seen it but the way he said

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summarize the email to me is i sent it

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to brett bear

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sarah carter john sullivan um

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sheryl atkinson maybe some others and it

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was i have access to some

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salacious emails that you would be

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interested in from hunter biden's left

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and sorry who sent that email and when

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was that sent

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that was sent i i know a number of them

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were sent in march

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and i know there are a number of

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follow-ups because again if you look at

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my facebook post

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cheryl atkinson uh and i go back and

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forth and ron jumps in there as well

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because she was taking some heat

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and some hate i guess on twitter and i

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don't even do twitter so

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it wasn't me that posted it out there

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but i know sheryl atkinson and i know

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her

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yeah i spent a better part of the day

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with her who is cheryl

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atkinson so cheryl atkinson was a former

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cbs reporter she's a personal hero of

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mine

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because i flew her a number of other

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media jim i can't tell you

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begin to tell you how many media were on

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this flight but

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uh hillary clinton uh chelsea clinton on

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chelsea spring break

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simbad cheryl crowe who are part of the

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uso tour

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we flew them into from ramstein

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into skopje macedonia and then they were

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helicoptered into an army post in bosnia

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hillary made claim that you may remember

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from the last

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uh election uh that you know trying to

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i guess have uh who's that nbc news

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reporter

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that brian williams yeah trying to have

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a brian williams moment that

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we were fired on on landing and

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uh the receiving line that i was

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supposed to

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uh go to was cancelled and i'm thinking

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gee i think she only went to bosnia once

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and i was on that flight and i remember

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being fired on

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i think i escorted her over to that

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receiving one

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so cheryl atkinson wrote the story on

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cbs and told the truth and

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so then she left cbs shortly thereafter

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were you one of the ones that came out

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and debunked the story at the time

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well um let's see when it came out

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the first time i believe i was still in

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uniform and

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once sheryl atkinson debunked it on cbs

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i said please there's

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i mean i certainly debunked it with a

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number of friends

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and people that i was speaking with um

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but i didn't go public

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okay so back to your communicating with

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cheryl atkinson about

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the the story now by the way you

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mentioned march

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right march of this year okay but

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so he who was involved i'm sorry sorry

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that that wasn't you involved in march

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then

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no it was wrong because i didn't know

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anything about this until august

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okay it was ron and ron is the uncle

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uncle correct okay how long had ron

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known about it from the beginning

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essentially

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um he i want to say december i don't

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think he ever told me a specific

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month but i know he's been to delaware

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and saw the laptop

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so so so in march of this year they were

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trying to get the media

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the media's attention to cover this

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because

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the uh impeachment hearing was still

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going on the peaceman i believe was done

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by march

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but i think they were concerned because

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none of this

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came up as evidence um so my question

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i mean this is the thing that i

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scratched my head on not that i'm a

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conspiracy theorist but they also about

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this time

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from my knowledge of what i've been told

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and what i've read

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is they got rudy giuliani and rudy

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giuliani's lawyer involved

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so why in the world um

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if i you know i don't know the exact

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timing of

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did they give it to rudy after the

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impeachment or before i would hope that

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if they gave the president's lawyer

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that information before that that

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information would have been part of

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the uh the impeachment trial

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i have in my notes but i'm not sure

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where i got it from

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that they gave it to giuliani in

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december

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yeah so that makes you wonder doesn't it

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makes me wonder

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and so when when ron was telling me the

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story of the media he had tried to get

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it out

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that he had sent letters to to try to

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get the story out

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i said to him well you know i was

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thinking in the back of my mind well i

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wish you had told me cheryl atkinson

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because i know her maybe

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i could reach to her and tell her

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reminder of the story of

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our our flight into macedonia we say

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bosnia but is actually right right next

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to macedonia together

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she's still with cbs no she had to leave

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cbs from what i know jim

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because when i read some of the other

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posts

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below mine and below mine and cheryl's

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exchange you know people are going back

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saying

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surely you should have sent a private

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message instead of public

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um but it was interesting just as an

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aside

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every time i pull up that facebook post

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sheryl atkinson's

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an initial post to me was under the

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picture and that's rod you're posting

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salacious or

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false information interesting

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yeah but anyway uh one of the posts in

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that said you know cheryl's life was

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threatened

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when she left cvs so i can understand

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her concern and if you read the rest of

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the post i mean

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she's satisfied with both ron's and my

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answer

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as to how we described it because

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there's nothing untrue of what i wrote i

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was told that

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my friend reached out to cheryl he

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didn't get any answers that's all i knew

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so and let's just be clear as to what

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the connection is between

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what's on the laptop and impeachment let

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me make sure i

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have this right that basically one of

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the grounds for impeachment

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involved trump asking

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the ukrainian president to open an

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investigation and announce it

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into joe biden's in his son's

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involvement in verism et cetera

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um am i right so far that's the

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that's certainly the way i took it jim

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right and

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yet here on the laptop it appears that

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well trump had good reason to be asking

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for such an investigation because as it

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turns out

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biden as vice president was meeting with

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officials of this company that was being

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accused

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of a lot of bad dealings broadly

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speaking was under investigation

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for corruption in ukraine who knows i

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don't even know what all that involves

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but whether the ball is paying off

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politicians etc

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they were under investigation in ukraine

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and subsequently biden

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actually got the prosecutor

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fired i guess on that investigation

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told that story yeah yeah he was proud

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that he

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got that there's some speculation as to

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well

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why was he trying to get it obviously

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you've got the self-interest

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of protecting uh burisma because of his

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son being there but you've got others

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saying that well actually

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that um investigator uh

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or that prosecutor was fired because he

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wasn't doing his job

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that he wasn't that there was other

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countries that wanted him fired also

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because

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he was almost potentially part of the

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corruption is it

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am i right about that so the way i break

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it so the way i break it down

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in my head jim is we impeach the

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president of the united states for

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asking a question

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about corruption and

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simultaneously that he held foreign

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military financing

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from the ukrainians for a period of what

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almost three months

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i can tell you as a former deputy

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commander at u.s other command

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foreign military financing is held up

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all

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so now we appears like

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the former vice president i say appears

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because i want the law enforcement

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agency and oh by the way the fourth

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element of our democracy

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to be doing their job and i should be

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investigating this where's the curiosity

440
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it appears like the former vice

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president of the united states

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did what worse than what the president

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was accused of

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he was actually appears i don't want to

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say

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it's because nothing's been proven yet

447
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but

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this laptop's been out there and in the

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fbi's hand since last december

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why the delay um why isn't there

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why hasn't there been an investigation

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yeah when i don't know enough about

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invest fbi investigations to know

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what a typical length of time would be

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on something like this but

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um what we've heard is that it appears

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that they're

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investigating money laundering that

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i think i think it was the receipt that

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uh jp received or

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some coding on an fbi document indicated

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coding for that this laptop is being

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taken

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for investigation into money laundering

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that's that's what i've heard as well

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but again

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when i read the emails for example

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and this is one again i did not have but

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now now that they've been out there and

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i read the

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email from the vice president of

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charisma to hunter

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i believe that was his position that

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says thanks for setting

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a meeting up with your dad at the very

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least you know that his dad wasn't being

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truthful to the american

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people when he said you know i never

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never had any contact or didn't know

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anything about my sons involved

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yeah i mean that's that's huge and i

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think that's one of the biggest pieces i

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think for purposes of people evaluating

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biden for the election

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um you know i did not have sex with that

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woman

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i did not have had sexual relations with

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that woman i mean look how much he

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clinton got for looking into the camera

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and telling that bald-faced lie

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but it was about sex you know

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still you don't lie to the american

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people not that certainly not that

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directly

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but at least clinton's got the excuse

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you know hey it's none of your business

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to begin with

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he could argue but here you've got biden

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looking in the camera and directly lying

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about having any involvement with his

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son's

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uh involvement with burisma and now

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here's the proof

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that in fact he met with burisma while

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he was vice president while they were

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under investigation while he was

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supposedly

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trying to get the prosecutor fired who

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was on the investigation

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and he was fired and he was fired and

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even if you take

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everything else out of this i think

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maybe you made this point in in your

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facebook post but

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biden should have recused himself from

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having any involvement

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in this issue of this prosecutor

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considering that his son was on the

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board

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of the entity the prosecutor was

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prosecuting

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right yeah you know it's interesting a

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facebook post popped up yesterday from a

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year ago

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ago was

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you know whether or not vice president

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former vice president

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biden was involved in charisma

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is interesting but you i mean it is

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it is interesting but you would think at

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least we would be asking the questions

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because the federal regulations tell us

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that you have to avoid

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even the appearance even the appearance

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of uh you know special interests trying

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to

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also think generally speaking as vice

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president of the united states

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you would ask your son to cool it

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you know i mean the burisma board thing

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is just one of the

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things that this kid was up to

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internationally i think one of the

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reasons they're

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the investigations money laundering is

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apparently one of the things he was

547
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doing is advising people and helping

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them get their money

549
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out of various countries that may have

550
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been the moscow wife

551
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sorry moscow mayor wife story

552
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where they're trying to get money out of

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various countries

554
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and hunter was helping them do that but

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this is kind of like my god i'm vice

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president of the united states

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keep an eye on your son and don't have

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him be doing this kind of stuff

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i mean maybe he can do it after your

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vice president but but not while you're

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vice president

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one would think well i i kiddingly

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posted two a year ago

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uh i wonder when i was a commander over

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in europe i

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had the luxury of being able to fly

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myself around to the 11 bases that were

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under my

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command and quite often my spouse would

570
00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:37,280
have to

571
00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:39,200
accompany me for an official function or

572
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:40,799
whatever this one weekend

573
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:43,600
where a son was in high school he could

574
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:44,400
not

575
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:46,080
we didn't have a babysitter probably

576
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:47,440
could have left him alone

577
00:20:51,990 --> 00:20:49,440
so i asked the legal officers could i

578
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:52,000
bring my son with me on the plane

579
00:20:55,590 --> 00:20:53,600
yes i could but i had to write a check

580
00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:55,600
to the us government so i wonder if

581
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:56,240
hunter

582
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:58,000
ever wrote a check to the u.s government

583
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:01,280
for his flights aboard air force two

584
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:03,760
to either ukraine or china interested

585
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:04,400
yeah

586
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:06,080
i mean you know trump had his

587
00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:07,760
opportunity at the debate to ask him

588
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:09,039
these kind of questions because it

589
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:10,480
doesn't appear that biden's going to be

590
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:10,960
asked

591
00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:13,360
these kind of questions but that's one

592
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:15,120
that still biden hasn't answered what

593
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:16,000
was hunter biden

594
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:20,400
doing on air force two flying to china

595
00:21:26,950 --> 00:21:23,679
with you what was his role in that

596
00:21:29,029 --> 00:21:26,960
why was he aboard and what meetings

597
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:29,039
took place and which ones was he in and

598
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:30,880
which ones were you on and

599
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:33,200
you know was he on u.s government

600
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:34,720
business or was he on hunter biden

601
00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:36,240
business

602
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:41,830
yeah i mean just seems too obvious these

603
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:43,039
questions are just

604
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:45,440
too obvious and uh by jesus we don't

605
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:47,520
have the fourth state

606
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:48,880
and you know it looks like i mean i i

607
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:51,760
guess perhaps thanks to

608
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:55,039
covid biden is able to avoid a lot of

609
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:55,440
these

610
00:22:02,149 --> 00:21:58,640
drive-in

611
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:02,159
rallies or simply um

612
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,960
you know speeches given from as they say

613
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:06,000
his basement

614
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:07,520
but you know is he going to face

615
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:09,039
reporter questions

616
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:11,600
again between now in the election seems

617
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:13,840
like he might get by without facing any

618
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:16,880
it does it does so again just going back

619
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:18,640
to where we left off on my story when

620
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:19,039
mark

621
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:22,559
when my friend ron the uncle was of jp

622
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:26,000
was telling me about the uh attempts he

623
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:27,520
had made at the media i thought well

624
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:29,360
shoot i had known sheryl crowe

625
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:31,360
uh i wish you'd help me i but you know

626
00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:33,760
if you have if you're having trouble

627
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:35,360
my next-door neighbor is a former not

628
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:37,360
fox news reporter

629
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:40,480
and so subsequently

630
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:43,840
come in july ron and my next-door

631
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:44,559
neighbor

632
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:47,600
rod bernson former fox news

633
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:50,720
former and retired la police started

634
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:52,880
came to know one another over our zoo

635
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:59,270
strategize on how we get the air force

636
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:00,720
academy to realize

637
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:04,320
that hosting a black lives matter video

638
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:07,120
is offensive to many graduates the

639
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:08,640
initial letter that i wrote to the

640
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,679
superintendent is

641
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:11,760
uh who used to work for me when when i

642
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:12,880
was uh

643
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:16,000
a three star and he was a colonel was

644
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:18,640
hey jay you know you ask any air force

645
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:19,679
academy graduate

646
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:22,559
and we'll stand arm and arm no we'll put

647
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:24,559
our arms around our black brother

648
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:27,520
and sisters and say we stand against any

649
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:28,799
form of racism

650
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,280
but you can't let it appear like we're

651
00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:33,600
endorsing black lives matter

652
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:35,840
but anyway ron and rod became to know

653
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:37,520
came to know one another that way

654
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:40,559
and then about maybe two or three weeks

655
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:41,360
well

656
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:42,880
i guess two and a half three weeks ago

657
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:45,360
now ron gave me a call

658
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:47,279
the uncle and asked me could i put him

659
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:48,480
in contact with

660
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:50,720
my next door neighbor former fox news

661
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:52,480
reporter

662
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:55,520
so the questions i asked i think any

663
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:57,760
reasonable man would ask

664
00:24:01,590 --> 00:24:00,159
you know you've got the family has rudy

665
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:01,600
giuliani involved

666
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:03,360
i've been told that rudy julie never did

667
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:04,799
any personal research but

668
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:08,320
been told that rudy giuliani is the

669
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,960
lawyer for the new york post why do we

670
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:12,320
need

671
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:15,679
our help to break this story the answer

672
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:16,559
i was given

673
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:20,320
from both ron and rod

674
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:23,120
seemed to be fairly reasonable they

675
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:23,600
wanted

676
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:25,919
another avenue other than just rudy

677
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:28,960
giuliani breaking the story with fox

678
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:32,320
because of some of the oh

679
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:35,279
uh dispersions that have been cast upon

680
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,960
that relationship i guess would be a

681
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:38,880
positive way to say

682
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:42,000
so my friend rod the former

683
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:46,080
fox news reporter called his old mentor

684
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:50,080
a guy that used to be the executive

685
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:53,679
vice president uh at fox i think for

686
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:56,480
20 years and a guy by the name of ken

687
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:57,760
lacourt

688
00:25:00,950 --> 00:25:00,080
and if you go to his media site you'll

689
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:00,960
see

690
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:03,679
how he wrote about getting this call

691
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:04,480
from

692
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:07,440
rob bernsen an old friend former fox

693
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:09,279
news reporter

694
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:11,200
said oh yeah come on rod you know three

695
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:13,039
weeks before the election

696
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:15,440
rod gave him the information to talk to

697
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:17,360
jp personally

698
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:19,039
they convinced them they sent him some

699
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:21,039
emails so i think

700
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:22,880
the small role that i played was

701
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:24,799
obviously just hooking up

702
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,240
the uncle and my next-door neighbor

703
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:30,799
and from there he was able to talk to

704
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:32,320
his old mentor

705
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,320
this old contacts that still remain and

706
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:38,400
it remained at fox to help write the

707
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:39,919
story

708
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:43,200
post

709
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:46,320
but you'll notice right after that fox

710
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:47,840
was all over it

711
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:50,799
okay so so you're saying because there's

712
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:52,159
kind of a narrative out there

713
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:55,200
that fox passed on this story are you

714
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,679
saying

715
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:57,679
you don't think you have you know those

716
00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:59,440
details i don't know and neither does

717
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:01,520
rod because i've asked him

718
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:03,600
uh you know he gave it to his friend ken

719
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:04,559
lacour what

720
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:06,799
what ken mccourt did behind the scenes

721
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:08,559
what he needed to convince hi

722
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:10,640
the last post i read he said he would

723
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:11,760
tell

724
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:15,120
in another uh post what

725
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:17,200
how he got how they got the story in the

726
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:18,640
public square but i haven't read that

727
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:19,440
one yet

728
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:22,400
so when did fox first report on it was

729
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:22,640
it

730
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:26,080
the same day as new york same day and

731
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:27,440
do you happen to know was there

732
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:29,120
reporting saying

733
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:31,840
new york post says or were they

734
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:32,880
reporting it

735
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:36,080
independent of the new york post um

736
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:39,520
kind of both uh the i remember watching

737
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:40,640
special report

738
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:44,000
that night and bret baer was saying you

739
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:44,320
know

740
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:46,240
we haven't confirmed but the new york

741
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:48,080
post and you know he had a lot of

742
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:50,000
questions and i remember

743
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:52,880
texting my my friend the uncle saying

744
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:54,400
ron you need to call it brett bear and

745
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:55,279
tell him

746
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:57,520
give me answers to all these questions

747
00:27:02,390 --> 00:26:59,440
well he said i've been trying

748
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:02,400
that's what i remember is very early on

749
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:03,840
fox news was

750
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:06,960
reporting that and we have confirmed

751
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:09,200
so they they had they had the confidence

752
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:10,159
to report it

753
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:13,279
they weren't just reading the newspaper

754
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:14,159
and reporting

755
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:17,360
the newspaper and that that may have put

756
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:19,200
fox in a different categories than some

757
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:20,399
of the other networks

758
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:22,240
who a we know didn't want to cover to

759
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:24,159
begin with but b

760
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:26,000
didn't necessarily have that that

761
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:27,919
confirmation

762
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:30,960
exactly and and and then the rest is

763
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:32,399
history as far as the

764
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:36,640
reporting on that um so

765
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:39,440
one question that a lot of people are

766
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:40,480
pondering

767
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:43,760
is i mean it appears that jp

768
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:46,880
after the 90 days basically said okay

769
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:48,000
this is now

770
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:51,840
mine um i know it's hunter biden's

771
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,360
laptop

772
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:55,440
he's a very interesting fellow

773
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:57,360
considering who his father is

774
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,720
and certainly has been a lot of

775
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:00,480
speculation about what he's been up to

776
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:03,919
is that jp then decided to comb through

777
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:05,679
his laptop

778
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:07,840
i don't think there's any other way to i

779
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:09,120
don't know if he's

780
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:11,440
admitted to that or it's even something

781
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:12,320
to admit to

782
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:14,559
because arguably there's nothing wrong

783
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:16,000
with that if he now owned

784
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:18,640
it but i mean how else to explain him

785
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:20,080
finding

786
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:25,440
some of these emails among 10 000 emails

787
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:28,000
yeah i saw you ask david greenfield that

788
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:28,480
question

789
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:32,000
would have to ask jp

790
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:37,120
and that one i haven't nobody's told me

791
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,080
and and and then you know there's

792
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:42,720
speculation as to why he

793
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:46,399
contacted the fbi um

794
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:49,120
do you know why he contacted the the fbi

795
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:50,799
was it about

796
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:53,840
what what in particular did he find on

797
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:55,760
the laptop that caused him to think this

798
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:56,240
is

799
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:57,679
something i needed to contact the fbi

800
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:00,159
about the only thing i haven't been told

801
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:02,799
anything on that gym what i've read

802
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:06,240
was that in september the phone call

803
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:07,919
between

804
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:10,720
president trump and president zielinski

805
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:12,880
i believe from ukraine

806
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:16,320
was made public and he knew that

807
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:19,279
a lot of the details that he had on that

808
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:20,640
laptop

809
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:22,240
were applicable to that phone

810
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:24,880
conversation

811
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:27,360
yeah and i kind of gleaned that from the

812
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,960
jp interview

813
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:30,799
uh that he did with the three reporters

814
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:32,720
uh he was didn't want to answer a lot of

815
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:33,520
their questions

816
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:36,240
but one thing he did mention was the

817
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:37,039
impeachment

818
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:39,520
and just kind of threw it out there um

819
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:41,279
and it led me to believe that yes that

820
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:41,919
was a

821
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:44,880
pretty serious motivating factor to him

822
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:46,960
that i'm i'm sitting on information

823
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:50,480
that i know totally contradicts

824
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,399
the side that's attempting to impeach or

825
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,240
supports trump's case or what have you

826
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:56,880
it's relevant to the impeachment and

827
00:30:01,510 --> 00:29:58,240
therefore needs to be

828
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:01,520
brought forward that is an accurate

829
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:04,559
description of what i always told you

830
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:07,440
and i guess just to add to that and i've

831
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:08,480
seen

832
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:15,350
diminish the family's credibility that

833
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:16,559
you know they're saying they're rabid

834
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:19,120
trump supporters etc you know i

835
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:22,240
you know i i know mac

836
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:25,520
jp's dad from the air force and

837
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:28,240
back in those days when we wore the

838
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:29,279
uniform

839
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:32,720
the military was apolitical so

840
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,720
i can't really attest to anyone's

841
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:36,640
political leanings

842
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:39,200
but what i can just say is you know

843
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:40,960
they're a great patriotic family my

844
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:42,080
friend ron

845
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:44,720
who lives kind of in my neighborhood

846
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:45,440
here

847
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:50,159
has by far by far the highest flagpole

848
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:51,840
in in any of the neighborhoods around

849
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:54,559
here and he probably flies that american

850
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:55,600
flag

851
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:57,279
any time when the winds are below 60

852
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:59,200
knots

853
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,919
so what happened in the two months

854
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:03,600
between the time that you learned about

855
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:05,360
it in august

856
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:08,399
and ultimately played a role in

857
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:10,080
getting fox news to cover it what was

858
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:11,360
going on in those two months

859
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:12,240
approximately

860
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:14,640
that that i can't really attest to too

861
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:15,279
much

862
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:17,519
uh jim but i can tell you that ron and i

863
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:19,200
were speaking

864
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:22,480
several times a week on a black lives

865
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:23,519
matter

866
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:27,279
video issue because we've been

867
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:29,120
you know putting together i mean there's

868
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,880
probably i bet

869
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:32,880
i mean literally hundreds of emails that

870
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:33,919
have gone to two different

871
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:35,600
superintendents again

872
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,600
the football coach the athletic director

873
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:39,440
we've had zoo meetings

874
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:42,640
with leadership at the academy so i've

875
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:44,720
interfaced with him a lot

876
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:47,360
and i don't ever remember asking him

877
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:47,840
what's

878
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:50,480
going on until he called me about two

879
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:51,440
and a half weeks ago

880
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:53,120
and said hey could you put me in contact

881
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:56,480
with your next-door neighbor

882
00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:00,080
so it seemed as if

883
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:02,080
they wanted to get the story out there

884
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:04,880
before the election

885
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:06,640
you know you'd be asking me to speculate

886
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:09,840
on someone's motivation so that and that

887
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:12,000
to be honest again that's why i asked

888
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:12,960
ron and rod

889
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:15,519
so many questions i mean i kind of

890
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:16,559
winced

891
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:19,600
you know this is just three weeks out um

892
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:21,279
but i also know what you went through

893
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:23,360
trying to get the media to

894
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:24,960
to bite on it back in march and i

895
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:27,120
believe may as well

896
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:29,600
um so yeah i'll make the call because i

897
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,600
believe the information

898
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:33,600
despite the timing is more important to

899
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:34,799
be in the public's hands

900
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:38,640
and to bury it so that kind of explains

901
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:41,519
that timing what do you think explains

902
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:43,519
giuliani's timing

903
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:45,679
with the new york post because he had it

904
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:47,039
for many months prior

905
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:49,919
to that do we think giuliani was holding

906
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:51,039
it back and to

907
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:53,440
spring it at the most opportune time

908
00:32:56,590 --> 00:32:54,080
it's a great

909
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:56,600
question great question

910
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:58,640
[Music]

911
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:00,159
i haven't talked to rudy so i can't

912
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:02,799
answer what he you gotta wonder whether

913
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:04,720
how opportune it'll turn out to be

914
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:06,320
because you know these

915
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:08,000
we you know we wasted the first week

916
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:10,080
with everybody ignoring it and blocking

917
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:10,960
it

918
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:16,480
some details emerging but you know we're

919
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:18,399
only about uh

920
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:20,559
10 days out from the election now yeah

921
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:22,480
exactly and 50 million people or more

922
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:25,200
have already voted so

923
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:27,919
what do you make of or what what have

924
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:29,519
you learned from ron

925
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,480
about other stuff that was on there this

926
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:34,080
kind of salacious

927
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:36,559
stuff you know one note i have is this

928
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:37,679
14-minute

929
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:40,880
video that involves him

930
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:43,919
with a crack pipe and some type of sex

931
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:45,519
video

932
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,679
the only thing i've i've heard that i

933
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:49,440
can honestly attest to jim was that

934
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:51,440
there was some pornography

935
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:53,600
and in the three-way conversation with

936
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:55,120
my next-door neighbor

937
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:58,159
a former fox news reporter and

938
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:01,440
and former la police sergeant he

939
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:04,559
asked ron point blank do you have that

940
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:06,159
in your possession

941
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:09,760
and is there any pornographic child

942
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:11,119
pornographic material

943
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:14,320
because if there is he said given what

944
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:16,000
we've seen i'm not sure i'd trust the

945
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:18,159
fbi they may be coming after you

946
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:20,240
and ron's response to that is i have not

947
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:23,040
seen any child pornography

948
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:26,000
so does that mean we don't think that

949
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:26,560
there was

950
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:28,639
child pornography on the computer i

951
00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:29,760
don't know

952
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:31,839
what ron's answer to me indicated that

953
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:33,280
he hadn't been through the whole hard

954
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:34,240
drive like

955
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:37,520
like his nephew had been but

956
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:39,280
he said his nephew was visiting him a

957
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:40,960
couple weeks ago

958
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,320
and uh you know showed him

959
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:46,240
a couple of pictures but none of it was

960
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:48,560
child pornography

961
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:51,760
so he was aware of pornography on there

962
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:55,040
it was not child pornography

963
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:57,119
the best of my knowledge i've not seen

964
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:58,400
the only thing i've ever seen off the

965
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,359
laptop

966
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:01,520
basically is i think the two innocuous

967
00:35:04,270 --> 00:35:03,040
emails i was sent in august and what

968
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:04,280
i've seen on the news

969
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:05,680
[Music]

970
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:08,160
and did you hear anything about this

971
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:10,480
14-minute

972
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:16,240
crack smoking video i have not

973
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:21,599
um and what what's the uh

974
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:24,800
what are they up to now is ron speaking

975
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:25,359
to

976
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:28,000
reporters about this at all is jp

977
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:29,520
speaking to reporters is his father

978
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:31,119
speaking to reporters

979
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:34,240
um well i addressed uh jp and mack the

980
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:34,720
dad

981
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:38,079
earlier max emailed to me yesterday uh i

982
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:39,440
think made it pretty clear

983
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:43,680
um to me anyway i said you know i feel

984
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:44,240
as

985
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:47,599
a fellow american

986
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:49,839
citizen who wants to do the civic duty

987
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:51,680
that i want to stand here with you

988
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:54,320
on this if you don't mind i'll accept a

989
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:55,359
few interviews

990
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,800
and his response was jp is

991
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:00,480
asking me not to because he's worried

992
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:02,880
about me and i need to

993
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,240
i need to take care of jp um so

994
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:08,480
this morning i did speak with the uncle

995
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:09,920
and i said you know ron you're

996
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,680
much closer to this than i am

997
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:15,839
you should be doing these and he said no

998
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:16,720
i think you

999
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,760
provide the right degree of

1000
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:21,599
i guess we called it you know i'm one

1001
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:23,040
degree of freedom away

1002
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:25,680
i know i know the parties pretty well

1003
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:27,040
but i'm not a family member

1004
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:30,880
so i'm not in the position to be accused

1005
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:31,520
of

1006
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:33,760
maybe being overly biased because i am a

1007
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:34,800
family member

1008
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:36,800
so i said i get it i'll do it i'm proud

1009
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:39,119
to do it

1010
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:41,920
and we appreciate that um yeah i i

1011
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:43,359
thought that uh biden

1012
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:45,760
joe biden kind of stepped in it a bit in

1013
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:46,960
the debate

1014
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:50,720
when he just doubled down

1015
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:53,359
on this is russian disinformation i mean

1016
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:55,040
speaking specifically about

1017
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:57,760
the laptop and the emails he called it

1018
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:59,119
russian disinformation

1019
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:01,359
yeah well jim if you looked at my bio

1020
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:03,280
you'll see one of the jobs i have as

1021
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:06,560
assistant director of operations

1022
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:09,200
for the air force another job i had was

1023
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:10,800
the deputy commander of southern command

1024
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:12,480
another one i had was the

1025
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:15,119
third air force commander and air

1026
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:16,880
commander europe as well

1027
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:19,119
i've seen a lot of intelligence i've

1028
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:20,720
seen a lot of uh

1029
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:23,440
intentional disinformation well you know

1030
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:24,079
when i hear

1031
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:26,720
that spin i just have to shake my head

1032
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:28,480
and say you know

1033
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:31,119
personally yeah the russians are good

1034
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:33,599
but they're not that good

1035
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:36,880
do you think you really think that

1036
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:40,160
they could pen

1037
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:44,160
a text from a father to his daughter

1038
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:46,640
the way that we've seen you know come

1039
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:48,000
out in the media i mean do you really

1040
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:49,680
think the russians are capable of that

1041
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:52,240
level of detail maybe but uh

1042
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:55,359
it's much more logical for me to believe

1043
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:55,920
that

1044
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:58,000
hey a patriotic family here is doing

1045
00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:59,599
their civic duty

1046
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,680
and they're they turned over to laptops

1047
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:03,119
to the fbi

1048
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:04,560
thank you again to lieutenant general

1049
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:06,640
rod bishop i do want to clarify

1050
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:08,320
something that came up i had mentioned

1051
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:09,200
that it appeared

1052
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:11,440
that the laptop had made it to giuliani

1053
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:12,720
in december

1054
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:15,200
uh lieutenant general bishop uh

1055
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:17,200
confirmed for me after our interview

1056
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:19,760
that no he did not get it until august

1057
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:20,720
or september

1058
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:23,359
of this year so that helps explain why

1059
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:25,040
it did not get its

1060
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:27,280
the information did get to the hands of

1061
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:29,200
the president or his lawyers

1062
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,320
only to the fbi and it didn't get to his

1063
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:34,800
uh to giuliani or his lawyers until

1064
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:36,480
august or september

1065
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:39,839
of this year wanted to clarify that

1066
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:41,440
um we're also going to be probably

1067
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:43,119
talking to the general more

1068
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:46,000
about his issue with this video the air

1069
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:47,680
force video that the football team put

1070
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:49,599
together in support of black lives

1071
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:51,920
matter you can look that up on your own

1072
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:53,040
if you want to just

1073
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:55,040
google black lives matter and the air

1074
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:56,640
force academy and you'll see that

1075
00:39:01,670 --> 00:39:00,000
very disturbing video thank you to our

1076
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:01,680
producer michael parker

1077
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,359
thank you to our intern jake wall we'll

1078
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:05,280
be back soon with another episode of the

1079
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:12,069
thank you for listening to the truth

1080
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:13,760
show with jim breslow

1081
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:17,359
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1082
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:19,520
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1083
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1084
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1085
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